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the mighty mitten muster

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after a long day on the road it was nice

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to sit back with our hosts

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we were joined by other skeptics as we

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sat around the dinner table and chatted

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you did what i dreamed you dreamed i was

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walking around with angry tarkovsky for

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our listeners who is that a film

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director thank you he did 25 years he's

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my hero

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walking around with him in paradise it's

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none other than skeptical steve roberts

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hello steve i'm the principal fan of

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andre todd koski hello business yes yes

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steve um i i've caught up with you last

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year and uh after your huge adventure

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right across russia

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released now thank you so much

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and i'm here in wonderful wonderful

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beautiful mid-america at the the home of

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lori and eden smith we're enjoying a

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lovely dinner

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this weekend steve the mighty

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middlemaster the mighty middlemaster

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water divining test indeed yes it is the

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third time we've done it we did it a

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couple of times in the 2000s

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and uh it was a great great hoot to do

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it we get samples of water and sand in

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plastic bottles that are covered so you

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can't see what's in them now the dowsers

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or diviners if you call them turn up

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with their bent wires or fork sticks and

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determine whether it's water or sand in

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each sample now you were present at the

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2001 test yes i was yeah and i was

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president of the 2002 tesla i don't see

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you around yeah you see me around but

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yeah we were at different tests we were

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indeed but um i've studied the video

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intently and i've done the protocol for

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this test and um what you have to

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realize is that everything that can go

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wrong will go wrong including a dog

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including a dog that pisses on one of

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the samples and so you can see through

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the bag and the child that treads in a

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sample and breaks it in water or

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it was more or less in the open and the

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year i did it the following year we had

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the tennis court so we could keep people

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off we did it in the open and it was the

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crowd were just impossible to manage

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they crowd around the dividers and the

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poor blokes couldn't get peace and quiet

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and they got in the way of everything

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and we didn't we didn't define a proper

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area where they could stand and view so

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now we've arranged to do it on the

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tennis court which is fenced off

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and just had a beetle yeah they can get

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privacy on the tennis court and people

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can look but from outside the wire

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that's what we did 11 years ago when i

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filmed it we had the tennis court which

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worked very well because they could have

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peace and quiet but strangely enough it

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didn't seem to aid their water divining

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ability well that's that's their problem

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but we have to be fair to the diviners

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you have to give them a fair chance of a

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fair test without the crowd interfering

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without skeptics breathing down their

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necks if they don't want it and oh yeah

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we're surrounded by a multitude of

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insects here we're right in the middle

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enjoying a glass of wine with me of

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course is laurie smith hello laurie

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hello richard cheers cheers oh this is

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listeners i wish you were here oh no

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there's not enough wine for that lorry

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looking forward to the weekend very much

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richard we've put in a lot of work but

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it's all coming to a culmination now and

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um just can't wait for it to start now i

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had such a wonderful time 11 years ago

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and enjoyed your wonderful hospitality

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uh were you president the one before

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yes i haven't missed a meta divining

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challenge yet richard

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all three of them all trade

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and of course this year we have some

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more people in tow with us from sydney

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we have josh hi josh hi richard looking

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this is your first uh water diving

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well you're in for a treat oh you would

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have only been a little kid for the last

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time around oh not that young

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hey a little kid

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martin hudley hello martin hi peace and

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well said i'm sitting under a wind chime

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as you are

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have you been i can't remember i don't

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think you've been involved in a water

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divining test yet this is my first

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first timer another one looking forward

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but somebody who's an old hand at many

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open here you can hear the crickets it's

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with a mouth full of steak ian bryce

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you were involved in a previous water

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20 years ago 1989 over 20 years ago that

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there briefly dick smith arrived in his

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helicopter helicopter but you were

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really and dick smith produced a gold

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nugget a gold ingot which was one of the

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things the diviners were going to find

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right i was holding it for a while and i

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looked around at the gold ingredient and

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looked at his helicopter and i thought i

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could skedaddle with this golden goddess

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how to play a helicopter no well that

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test where they no one knew where the

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water was their rods would go to a

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hole and respond to that hole then you

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water divining activities laurie just

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mathematics which steve's been involved

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somebody gets 12 out of 20 is that

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this but the thing is this all has to be

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so and of course our money is actually

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at risk he's not at risk

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um we will we guarantee you to invite

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again then we'll award the prize of 100

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000 plus ten grand thrown in by yeah one

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on the day what's at risk is the

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invitation to do a second test but you

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this this is the standard thing i mean

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have the same protocol there are two

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because the ultimate aim is we only want

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to test people for the money who can

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really that's what we want to do if

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to have a good response on the

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calibration samples but of course when

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yes that's very interesting now some

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made a documentary about it that's on

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youtube so if listeners want to see

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the documentary from all those years ago

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just google mighty mitte mustard water

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divining you'll easily find it

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and it's it's amazing to think after all

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these years where it's it's back for

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well it's really around three isn't it

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of the local water diving tests with a

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big gap best of three rounds and so far

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fun i'm going to get some great

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the tennis court and talking to diviners

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on the day and it's just wonderful to be

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here and enjoy the good company of some

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good friends and cheers everybody cheers

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cheers thank you very much it's a water

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making sure things would be okay on the

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day

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i think we spent the rest of they just

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chatting and having a good time

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come saturday night

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we went to the house of russell and

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robin kelly they put on for all their

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friends a country dance and a giant

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now in the queue here to get his lovely

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piece of um beef and uh mixed vegetables

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and um potatoes and pumpkins and all

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sorts of things at steve roberts steve

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we went out to the um the testing field

287
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today to case the joint we did indeed

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yes yeah it was a tennis court at mit

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emitter it's um bare concrete it's

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searing in the afternoon sun it's hot

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isn't it the glare was so bad i couldn't

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look you know at it so i'm gonna test

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this blind as a double blind test

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um

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yeah and we've got we worked out where

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to put things and how we're going to do

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it tomorrow and

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we already prepared how to do the

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samples this morning and we did a bit of

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a rehearsal

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and get it totally organized because um

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tomorrow we'll be doing it all under the

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glare of the public

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error of the sun and the grey of the sun

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and television cameras yeah and if if we

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have an argument it'll make great

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television so we're going to be careful

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to get all this done beforehand i think

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it's a good point to make that people

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don't realize how much

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work goes into organizing a test of

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water diviners or any psychic test it's

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going to be fair for the diviners

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there's got to be a reasonable test that

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they can understand and that they see is

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fair to them

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and uh have a define a definite result

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they definitely risk to the skeptics

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that we have to part with our money

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and in fairness to them there's got to

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be a real risk of that because that is

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that is their payload in this our

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players is that we can make a

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graph of results and show that a random

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distribution if that's how it turns out

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if that's how it turns out oh well i

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think i i will delay you no more

328
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excellent yeah the bbq is ready and i'm

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very pickish normal way normal way yeah

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thank you

331
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as i live and breathe who should we bump

332
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into in the barbecue in here in

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mid-emitter it's it's ratbag himself

334
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good evening richard good evening now

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you've come down here to take part in

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the water diving test too i certainly

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have look i'm really interested in water

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defining um i live on the top of a

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mountain and we're very short of water

340
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there obviously because all runs

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downhill and disappears and so we

342
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actually would like someone to come up

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there and find water for us although

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last saturday when it rained 140

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millimeters i don't think we needed a

346
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now you must remind me have you taken

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part in one of these water diving tests

348
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before uh no i haven't ah first timer

349
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it's the first time yes i mean i

350
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i remember seeing them i remember seeing

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the very first one the one that was

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you know inaugurated australian skeptics

353
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yeah 1980 years yeah way back then you

354
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know i was

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i think i don't even know what i must

356
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have been in kindergarten um

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so i'm not quite sure i said but i

358
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actually remember seeing that and uh and

359
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obviously i remember the randy one on

360
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the television later in the piece um the

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one with richard carlton on that so um

362
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i've been watching it for years i've

363
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never actually been to one you're in for

364
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quite an interesting experience when you

365
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start to meet the diviners and see them

366
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walking around some will get will fly

367
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through some will take an hour it's it's

368
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quite interesting one of the things i

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have soon obviously just observing from

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the outside

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diviners while we consider maybe that

372
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they're diluted they all seem to be

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really actually honest people they think

374
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they've actually got some i agree

375
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i've never actually met or heard of a

376
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diviner who's actually a crook

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unlike a lot of other people who do

378
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woo-woo type stuff

379
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who when i taste i know they know

380
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they're just like i think i think some

381
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know that they're they're on the take

382
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really oh look i do but what it is with

383
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a lot of diviners particularly ones that

384
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work out in the bush

385
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it's

386
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um they they know if they've done it for

387
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years they recognize signs like

388
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different colors of the grass and so

389
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forth they might be able to put their

390
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finger on it there's a form of expertise

391
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but of course if you do it anywhere in

392
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sydney

393
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huge block of sandstone next to the

394
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ocean it's full of water yeah

395
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you dig anywhere in sydney dig deep

396
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enough you'll get a well that makes

397
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water but if you do it out here in the

398
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bush

399
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generally these people are using

400
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observational skills that they may not

401
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know they have possibly so yeah in the

402
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same way that um some people can

403
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convince themselves that they're

404
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psychics

405
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even though they're doing a form of cold

406
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reading they may not know they're doing

407
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it

408
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just because they know the sort of

409
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questions to ask they know the sort of

410
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responses they get from people and they

411
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follow those responses along

412
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so i mean i don't i'm not saying that

413
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i think that diviners a greater

414
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proportion of diviners are look real and

415
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actually believe they can do it then the

416
00:15:11,269 --> 00:15:09,920
psychics do i think you're absolutely

417
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right and i think tomorrow when you meet

418
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some of them you'll you'll really get

419
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that impression if they're anything like

420
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they were 11 years ago the one thing of

421
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course that i know they will all do is

422
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they'll all agree in advance to all the

423
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conditions and at the end of the day

424
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they say the other day say oh look but

425
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this was wrong

426
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,800
um i'm actually glad it's not raining

427
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because as i said last week it was

428
00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:31,839
raining it would confuse them enormously

429
00:15:34,949 --> 00:15:33,600
because why 0.6 around there's water

430
00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:34,959
everywhere

431
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:36,880
well i think the band is striking up in

432
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the background over there and i think

433
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the dancing will start soon so peter

434
00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:46,550
now it's don hyatt from uh victoria don

435
00:15:50,470 --> 00:15:48,959
is this your first water diving test

436
00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:50,480
it is indeed richard and i'm really

437
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looking forward to it i i have seen the

438
00:15:58,470 --> 00:15:55,279
video we think it was was it 2004 the

439
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the 2002 2002 so so i've been prepping

440
00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:00,160
for this event

441
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by watching the the video and of course

442
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:05,199
i was inspired by tam last year of

443
00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:07,680
course we had i think his name was matt

444
00:16:11,749 --> 00:16:09,120
and he was

445
00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:11,759
testing on stage uh with banner check

446
00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:13,680
and so on and i think you were up there

447
00:16:18,069 --> 00:16:15,759
today i was up there too yes yes and uh

448
00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:18,079
he was testing a variation on the power

449
00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:20,240
wristband i think there was some sort of

450
00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:22,000
special chip or something like that in

451
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:22,800
there

452
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:25,920
and uh it look it was absolutely

453
00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:28,720
riveting up to about the tenth minute

454
00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:31,120
when it it was quite clear that he was

455
00:16:34,389 --> 00:16:32,800
not going to pass i think you'll find

456
00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:34,399
tomorrow interesting because it can be a

457
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:37,600
long day and when the water diviners

458
00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:39,040
start going but i think what you'll find

459
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:40,079
is interesting is all the different

460
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:41,759
techniques they have some will have

461
00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:43,519
wires some will have sticks some will do

462
00:16:45,670 --> 00:16:44,720
all sorts of things we can't even

463
00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:45,680
imagine

464
00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:47,839
yes indeed i'm really looking forward to

465
00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:49,440
it i mean we're going to have to do some

466
00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:51,759
serious slip slop slapping because we

467
00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:53,519
know it's going to be about 35 degrees

468
00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:54,720
tomorrow but

469
00:16:59,189 --> 00:16:57,279
i was listening to what peter had to say

470
00:17:01,110 --> 00:16:59,199
before and what i'm really looking

471
00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:01,120
forward to is the excuses at the end of

472
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the day because these guys come up with

473
00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:05,600
the most amazing excuses as to why it

474
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:08,000
didn't work but the excuses are always

475
00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:10,000
in retrospect and

476
00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:12,160
you know i i'm i'm not being psychic

477
00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:13,600
here by predicting that there are going

478
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:15,919
to be excuses i'm a skeptic after all

479
00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:18,559
but i suspect they're going to be a few

480
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:20,720
excuses you know i suspect you're quite

481
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:22,319
right all right

482
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:23,760
big day ahead tomorrow i look forward to

483
00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:25,679
seeing you out there on the on the

484
00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:27,839
testing field looking forward to it

485
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:41,750
after another fine night's sleep

486
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:43,600
we got up early

487
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:44,880
had breakfast

488
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and drove down to the field

489
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the field the testing field

490
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the old mid-emitter tennis court which

491
00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:53,600
had been converted into a

492
00:17:58,870 --> 00:17:56,720
netball court nevertheless there it was

493
00:18:03,669 --> 00:17:58,880
and a group of us arrived early to start

494
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:05,830
it's quite a fast date here on the day

495
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the big day the test rate bag here we

496
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:09,039
are ready to go we've set up one of the

497
00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:11,039
tents we've got somebody sweeping the

498
00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:13,360
the field of uh where the testing is

499
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:14,880
going to be and the other skeptics are

500
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:15,760
busy

501
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:17,600
getting themselves together uh it's

502
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going to be a fun day oh i think it's

503
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going to be an excellent day the weather

504
00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:22,320
is fine yes yeah and a bit of cloud

505
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cover

506
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burns worse but that's right uh and we

507
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:28,320
won't notice a little tomorrow but uh i

508
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:30,240
think it's the perfect weather yep um it

509
00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:31,440
could have been raining which of course

510
00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:32,880
would be immense distraction for all the

511
00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:34,160
dowsers because they're simply say out

512
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:36,320
there well that would be disappointing

513
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:37,200
uh

514
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:39,520
it'd be it's very easy to find rain on

515
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:41,200
water when it's raining

516
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:42,720
i'm looking forward to it because i

517
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:44,320
think that um

518
00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:45,679
yeah i thought i haven't been to one of

519
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:47,440
those before oh yes but i've been

520
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:49,840
following dowsing for forever

521
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:51,360
and uh so i'd be interested to actually

522
00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:52,640
see how we do it how we run the

523
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:54,480
experiment how we

524
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:56,400
and what we find

525
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:57,919
me too and the other skeptics are over

526
00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:59,760
there setting up yet another tent which

527
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:01,919
is really good it's quite a wonderful

528
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:03,280
scene here that

529
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:05,360
it's because it's the sun's not out yet

530
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:07,120
i mean it's still hard behind clouds

531
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:09,039
it's very pleasant but we've got a giant

532
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:11,039
shark inflatable shark the horses are

533
00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:12,799
getting ready in that corner over there

534
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,400
we've got um

535
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:16,320
equestrian events being set up over

536
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:17,120
there

537
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:19,120
it looks like a really a good dive it's

538
00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:21,360
not just this it's it's a whole it's a

539
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:23,120
whole country fair isn't it fair and

540
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:24,880
even over there we've got the old steam

541
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:26,640
engines and i know ian bryce our

542
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:28,160
engineer will be very excited to go

543
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:30,000
inside i like those sort of things too

544
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:31,919
they have those

545
00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:33,919
at the grenfell fair

546
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:35,440
they've actually got a local group there

547
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,799
that come in with all of these ancient

548
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:38,480
steam engines and i've seen farm

549
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:40,240
machinery rather than steam engines yeah

550
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:41,120
and uh

551
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,960
it's wonderful stuff i'm fascinated by

552
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,640
the big shark slide right over there

553
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:46,320
sharks i've never seen such a big

554
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:48,080
inflatable shark in my life i'm just a

555
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:49,360
bit disappointed that now they weren't

556
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:50,720
in the jumping castle because i'm too

557
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:51,760
tall

558
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:54,880
on the sliding on the shark slide

559
00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:00,070
well

560
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:01,840
we thought ian bryce there a couple of

561
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,679
diviners showed up very early and having

562
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:05,200
a chat to us and they were telling you

563
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:07,440
some of their concerns

564
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,280
yes indeed one problem is that there are

565
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:11,919
two different types of sand apparently

566
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,360
there's river sand which has got

567
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:15,440
minerals in it which which metal rods

568
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,200
respond to

569
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:19,440
and there's ricky sand which is washed

570
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:21,679
free of all minerals

571
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:22,799
and

572
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,760
only

573
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:25,679
wooden rods respond to that so there's

574
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:27,120
two different things that's good to know

575
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:28,559
so that's yeah that's another thing what

576
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:30,000
was the other concern something to do

577
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:31,840
with the metal poles around the court

578
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:33,280
have you you've heard of spontaneous

579
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,919
human combustion i'm sure i have

580
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:37,919
well that's

581
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:39,360
if you calculate you'll find out the

582
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,960
third of the body burns away in that

583
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:42,480
because a third of the body consists of

584
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:44,480
static electricity

585
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,000
and that interferes with divining is

586
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:48,400
this what one of them just told you yes

587
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,440
okay

588
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,440
well you know i can't this is better

589
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:52,799
than i could imagine because it's

590
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:54,240
normally at the end of the day we hear

591
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,000
all these wonderful

592
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,840
uh new theories and excuses but it's

593
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,600
coming thick and fast already and the

594
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:01,440
problem is here that we're in a tennis

595
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:03,280
court with the metal fence yeah and if

596
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:05,039
some of those poles go down far enough

597
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,360
to enter to connect with the electrical

598
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,440
earth of the of the planet

599
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:11,039
then that'll interfere with the divining

600
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,919
rods

601
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:13,760
it's amazing divining works at all ian

602
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:15,919
isn't it so many things can go wrong how

603
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,190
one of the tasks on the day was to

604
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:25,280
run down to the river

605
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,320
with lots of two litre milk bottles

606
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:30,720
plastic milk bottles and fill them up

607
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:37,350
i'm with steve roberts and his little

608
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:43,350
walking down from the tennis court the

609
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,960
netball court

610
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,720
quite a distance actually down to the

611
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,440
river so we need to use fresh river

612
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,679
water steve yes from the foaming waters

613
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:53,679
of the mittal river which is here

614
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,559
somewhere because we can find it

615
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:58,240
walking down a path there are campers

616
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:59,679
here look these

617
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,760
people camping here for the show

618
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,080
and we'll be camping near the river yeah

619
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:06,080
this might be a way down here there's

620
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,520
the river look at that the flowing

621
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,240
waters oh foaming of course foaming of

622
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:12,000
course yeah that looks very very

623
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:18,549
upon our return from the river and once

624
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,360
we set the bottles out on the court to

625
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,360
to inspect them we noticed that there

626
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:25,280
was a lot of condensation on the outside

627
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:27,280
of the bottles this could be a problem

628
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,880
as the bottles were going to be wrapped

629
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,200
up in cloth bags

630
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:33,520
luckily the bottles didn't stay wet for

631
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:36,080
long and dried out very nicely in the

632
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,960
sun

633
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,559
before long it was time for steve

634
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:40,400
roberts to begin the briefing

635
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,990
and they're the same as the other

636
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,760
samples

637
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,360
and we ask that you

638
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:51,520
divine these four successfully and

639
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:52,960
there's a space on the sheep for doing

640
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,280
that to make sure your mods and

641
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,360
techniques are working then you divide

642
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,360
the other samples one of us will follow

643
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:01,039
you around with a clipboard and try and

644
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,880
not get in the way so if you want to

645
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:05,360
step back a meter or so that's fine or

646
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,720
be off the court altogether or whatever

647
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,880
but lots of people on the court and as

648
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,880
you go around you say if it's water or

649
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,640
sand we've got a technique we got and we

650
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,159
run it down on the

651
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,080
on the form here we keep a copy there

652
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:18,000
which you get to keep so you have to

653
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,520
record it for yourself

654
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:21,120
and now none of us know whether these

655
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,200
samples of water or sand

656
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,600
um at all i know about four of them and

657
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:27,120
he knows about four of them that's about

658
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,760
it

659
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:28,799
um

660
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,440
after you've all been round to your

661
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,520
satisfaction we'll close the trial for

662
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,280
we'll close that trial and be about an

663
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,840
hour and then we will reveal what's in

664
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:40,080
all the samples we can go around again

665
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,440
fairly quickly then we get them all back

666
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,120
in again randomized again put them all

667
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,200
out again and do the whole test again

668
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,960
and we do that many times during the

669
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:48,080
days

670
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:51,440
probably about once an hour okay um

671
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:57,590
so off the diviners went eager

672
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,480
to see if they could be the first to uh

673
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,559
pass our divining test

674
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,400
it's getting very warm out there on the

675
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,000
tennis court the netball court but the

676
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,400
diviners went out accompanied by a a

677
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,880
score keeper and one by one they went

678
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:12,640
around the 20

679
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,240
bottles of water or sand

680
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,480
some had water some had sand they were

681
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:21,200
randomized so nobody knew what was what

682
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:22,960
i caught up with one of the diviners

683
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,400
after they'd finished their test

684
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,159
we just had one of diviner finished and

685
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:30,080
um what did you think of the conditions

686
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:32,320
today you're happy yeah excellent and i

687
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,760
i saw you going out there it looked like

688
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,600
you were getting some positive uh

689
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,440
feedback so you think you did okay yeah

690
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,520
yeah excellent have you ever taken part

691
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,000
in a divining test before no no no that

692
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:44,000
first time first time yep all the best

693
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,120
here

694
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,200
best part of an hour into the test the

695
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:49,039
court is full of diviners and helpers

696
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,400
and skeptics how do you think it's going

697
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:52,000
steve oh wonderful so we're about half

698
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,679
an hour and there's six or eight

699
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,679
diviners on the court spread evenly over

700
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:57,200
all the samples

701
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:58,720
uh they've got a helper with each one's

702
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,919
a film crew i don't really mind it's

703
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:01,120
going very smoothly it's going very

704
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,559
smooth very smoothly we put a lot of

705
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:04,240
time into preparing this and organizing

706
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:05,440
it and um

707
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:07,039
catering for possible excuses to some

708
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:08,480
extent they'll come they'll come they'll

709
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,000
come but yeah we've done what we can and

710
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,320
uh in fairness to the diviners it's a

711
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:14,640
good fair test they get a fair go

712
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,350
one of the interesting things for me

713
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,039
watching this and taking part as a

714
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,360
scrutineer and various other activities

715
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:27,360
was to see the different methods water

716
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:30,880
diviners used in order to detect water

717
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,279
when you use the traditional wire pole

718
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:34,799
bent wire rod

719
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,279
some use sticks some use many sticks

720
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:39,600
one guy used a cricket ball on the end

721
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:42,559
of a long bit of string rocking back and

722
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:46,000
forth another man used a six-sided dice

723
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,760
on the end of a string i think it was

724
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,679
made out of the dust is made out of

725
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,679
brass or something like that

726
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:53,039
as a pendulum

727
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,600
all sorts of things going on

728
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,799
well i'm on the

729
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,400
the court now

730
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,080
there's about

731
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,000
three left in

732
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:06,960
this round three to water diviners left

733
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:08,840
i just don't want to disturb their

734
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:11,200
concentration so each diviner is walking

735
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:13,120
around putting their dividing rods over

736
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,919
the

737
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:15,120
uh

738
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:16,559
bottle of water which is covered with a

739
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:18,000
bag so we don't know whether the water

740
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,440
has sand or

741
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:21,440
we don't know if the bag the box the

742
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,240
bottle

743
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,320
has sand or water

744
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,840
and right now a diviner has got his

745
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,760
divining rod over a bag and he's just

746
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,279
concentrating

747
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:31,200
and he'll tell the scrutineer

748
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:33,039
what it is

749
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,720
sandy says and that was number 19.

750
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:38,960
so pretty soon

751
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:39,919
uh

752
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,480
will reveal the contents of all the

753
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,799
boxes and the bottles

754
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,760
and uh

755
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,919
see who scored what

756
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,520
you see there it isn't so we have

757
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:53,279
another another diviner who's finished

758
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:54,559
what did you think of the conditions out

759
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,679
there today

760
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:57,840
oh not too bad there is actually water

761
00:27:01,190 --> 00:27:00,000
underneath those um

762
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,200
under the ground here because it's all

763
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:03,200
riverbed right more soaks and riverbeds

764
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,190
so i knew pretty well where they were

765
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:12,720
but things might back away from the

766
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,840
sample

767
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,679
and move to one side and there's every

768
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,120
likelihood that

769
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:18,799
i'll pick they uh

770
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:20,000
i'll pick the

771
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,520
soak or the stream that's causing it

772
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:23,120
right cause the aberration little

773
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,320
generally speaking do you think you've

774
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:26,159
got a good reaction on the the samples

775
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:27,279
that were water

776
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,880
yeah yeah but

777
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,240
it's not sort of the

778
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:31,520
sort of thing we're looking for when

779
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,480
we're dividing a stagnant water

780
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,240
did you have any problems with the the

781
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,159
calibration ones where you no no no

782
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,679
because the

783
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:41,039
wire will just pick them up and just

784
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,039
rotate around it but the thing is it

785
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,360
will do the same thing to minerals okay

786
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,840
so that's why i'm actually using the

787
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,679
that one as well you've got what's this

788
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,440
one here it's that looks very green a

789
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:53,279
green fork sticker

790
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,640
willow okay that's right because it

791
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,159
won't break if you know the sticks

792
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:58,000
you've got over there

793
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,880
oh

794
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,679
the dry ones old ones yeah

795
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,679
i reckon i can break those yeah and this

796
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:05,279
one's this one's really flexible yeah

797
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:07,039
yeah willow is very flexible gum tree

798
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,960
will shatter yeah if you get a good

799
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:10,240
heavy er

800
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,520
good stream

801
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,360
the gum tree will pull around trying to

802
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,520
curl itself around in a circle and in

803
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,360
the process it'll break because it's not

804
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,159
very good under tension wow

805
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,600
i'd like to see that that must be

806
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:24,240
spectacular yeah yeah i can do it

807
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,600
but i can

808
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,880
i tried a couple of those but yet

809
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:28,799
they're a very brittle piece of yeah i

810
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,190
just to upset somebody oh well i can see

811
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,600
it's uh in full swing so uh yeah thanks

812
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,880
and

813
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:42,000
it shouldn't take too much longer but

814
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,799
thank you

815
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,039
we can scatter them around again and

816
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:47,039
have another go yeah

817
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:48,080
all the best

818
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,600
no it's a lot

819
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,279
finally after a couple of hours the

820
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,679
first round was over

821
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,000
skeptics went on to the tennis court and

822
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,799
took out all the bottles from their bags

823
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,480
and laid them on top of the tennis court

824
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:02,240
so everybody could see

825
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,440
which had water and which had sand

826
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,360
after that all the water diviners

827
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,679
hurried onto the course to check their

828
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,520
scores

829
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,279
so it's all over for the first round

830
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,120
anyway and you're going around now

831
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:17,520
double checking uh since we've revealed

832
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:19,520
where everything is how are you going so

833
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:20,480
far

834
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:26,320
improve on the last bit so you've

835
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:27,679
checked about half of them now and yeah

836
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,799
we're wandering around and we can

837
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:30,640
clearly see water or sand and water or

838
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:33,039
sand yes and but i i couldn't help but

839
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:34,240
overhearing you just want to beat your

840
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,760
husband is that right that's exactly

841
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,200
right

842
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,279
we're a bit competitive let's see yeah

843
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:41,440
well you never know you might yeah

844
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:42,559
i'd like to

845
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,110
at the scrutineers table steve roberts

846
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,200
how is it going oh pretty good somebody

847
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,200
got 13 but i mean that's what you expect

848
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:55,360
at random if you test enough people

849
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:58,399
so we've got a 12 12 8 and 13 so so far

850
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:01,520
yeah i'm just just copying the marks out

851
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,559
and they're gonna

852
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,840
they're all having to go on the court

853
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,760
we're gonna set the samples out again

854
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:07,600
actually fairly soon when they're when

855
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:08,799
they finished on the court and they're

856
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,399
at peace you know we'll

857
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,159
sweep them all up and um samples out

858
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:14,960
again carry on thank you you know

859
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,880
well the scores have been tallied at the

860
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,480
end of the first round

861
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:19,919
and i note that

862
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:23,279
two out of 16 got a score of 13 out of

863
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:26,480
20. the rest are ranging from

864
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:27,360
there's a

865
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,559
7 8 9 10 11 12 and 13 and very evenly

866
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,480
very evenly distributed

867
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,960
we're just going to make up a bell curve

868
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:37,840
and

869
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,669
well once the results were put up on the

870
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,760
board for all to see the diviners took

871
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:47,760
great interest in this

872
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,080
and they could also see that nobody had

873
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,799
got even close to uh showing any

874
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,559
divining ability

875
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:56,799
i'm pleased to say most of them

876
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:00,000
took it here very well and decided to

877
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:01,360
have another go

878
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,880
in the next round

879
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,039
and now it's round two and once again we

880
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,200
venture on to this

881
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,440
country tennis court or netball court

882
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,600
it's been turned into

883
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,679
and a lot of diviners are back for a

884
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,200
second ago a lot of new diviners have

885
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,360
showed up this afternoon

886
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,600
and there's about six or seven on the

887
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,720
court at the moment with their

888
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,120
scrutineers walking around concentrating

889
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:27,120
this lady's using a fork stick a classic

890
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,159
fork stick too women are one woman has a

891
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,480
like a bent coat hanger i think another

892
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:35,039
guy over there's got two metal rods

893
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,559
what's this person over here is a little

894
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,640
boy here with two metal rods

895
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,799
and another diviner with two metal rods

896
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,480
so we're getting a bit of a

897
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,720
getting a bit of a mixture today

898
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,399
there wasn't

899
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,159
too much complaining about the results

900
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,080
of the first trial although somebody

901
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,880
said that uh if the sand has water in it

902
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,159
then that would throw off his water

903
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,679
divining ability to be honest we're

904
00:32:04,070 --> 00:31:58,320
expecting to hear some interesting uh

905
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,310
i was delighted to see dr chrissy wilson

906
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:08,720
the roving reporter for the skeptic zone

907
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,000
turn up to look at the tests and she did

908
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,000
a lot of the publicity a lot of the

909
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:15,840
media work in promoting the mighty

910
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,630
chrissy wilson hello richard hello

911
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:26,320
it's so hot out here it is it's getting

912
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,440
hotter and hotter actually come back

913
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:29,120
here into the shade

914
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,480
now you've been having a chat with some

915
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:32,399
of the um the vines what have they been

916
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,120
telling you the whiners did you say

917
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:40,310
you said whiners i said

918
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:41,919
um folks you can play it back and hear

919
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,320
it yourself yeah um yeah we've they've

920
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,240
had two guys now

921
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:48,000
and um some of them

922
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:49,039
have

923
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,640
expressed to me some reasons why

924
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:54,080
they haven't done as well as they

925
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:55,760
thought they would do

926
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,039
apparently there's minerals in sand

927
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,960
and the rods are picking up the minerals

928
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:02,159
in the sand

929
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,880
so we should have used flour flour yeah

930
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:06,320
apparently that's that's where we've

931
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:07,840
gone wrong

932
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,399
so we should have had flour um but i've

933
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,240
got to say i mean they're all

934
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,480
very sincere people they're not here to

935
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,039
make a fast buck they're not they're not

936
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:19,360
you know charlatans they are genuinely

937
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,240
smart

938
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,080
i get an impression absolutely and take

939
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,799
it very very seriously very seriously

940
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,480
and we can we're seeing half the court

941
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,679
at the moment as we speak from this

942
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,760
little vantage point and look at him go

943
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,519
look at him concentration he's stepping

944
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:33,440
out yeah that tap in the far corner

945
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:35,279
though that's that's andy i spoke to him

946
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:36,559
a couple of times

947
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,600
lovely bloke actually very genuine um

948
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,519
and your mum had a gun and my mum had to

949
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:43,840
go i'm terrified she's gonna get like

950
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,880
18 or 20 19 out of 20. she was holding

951
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,240
up proceedings though because she was

952
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:49,919
gen this is embarrassing but she was

953
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:53,039
genuinely genuinely waiting to get a

954
00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:00,149
just guess that's not real

955
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,600
but yeah it's going to be hilarious if

956
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,440
it turns out that she's gone

957
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,960
good school that would be that would be

958
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,200
lady but it's a fantastically successful

959
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,520
event oh it's wonderful the only

960
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:11,599
brilliant job thing is it's just hot

961
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:13,040
it's really hot outside and it's a lot

962
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,320
of heat coming off the tennis court so

963
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,679
i'm running around making sure skeptics

964
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,720
have got the

965
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,119
water and sunscreen on well maybe all

966
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,879
this added moisture is going to be

967
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,639
interfering with

968
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:24,480
ideas

969
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,919
we've been running in rivers of sweat

970
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:29,919
maybe that's going to be a

971
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:32,159
confounding variable in the results here

972
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,909
what you can hear now is me

973
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,399
marking some of the scorecards crosses

974
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,639
or ticks either they got it right or

975
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:46,960
they got it wrong this process went on

976
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,430
after looking at the scores from the

977
00:35:03,990 --> 00:34:59,440
second round i had a word to our

978
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,750
we should move into the shade guys let's

979
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,520
move into the shady and bryson i just

980
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,720
noticed that

981
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,359
you were looking at the histogram

982
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:13,280
and it's more or less

983
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,640
going along the lines of the classic

984
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:16,960
bell curve wouldn't you say yes it is

985
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:19,359
the highest point is nine which is very

986
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:21,040
close to ten within statistical

987
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,240
variation

988
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:24,000
and the first round we colored in in

989
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:25,280
black in the second round we cover

990
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,640
colored in in red

991
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:28,320
and you can see that the more points we

992
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,079
get the more it approximates to a bell

993
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:31,839
curve it's looking that way the highest

994
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,960
score so far is 15 which is

995
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,720
interesting but still within what you

996
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:38,320
would expect given the more and more

997
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:39,920
contestants we have coming through

998
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,599
that's right yes

999
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:43,760
it's not that easy to explain to someone

1000
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,800
that although they've got the highest

1001
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:46,560
score on the day it's still below chance

1002
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,599
because they want to go home saying

1003
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,040
they're the champion diviner who

1004
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:51,119
admitted

1005
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,640
it's a fairly difficult one to answer

1006
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,320
roughly how many people have we had food

1007
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,839
can you remember how many people have we

1008
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,560
had do we know 16 and 20

1009
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,800
roughly speaking so 36 today but they've

1010
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,320
been repeats

1011
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,560
oh well yes half of the second group i'd

1012
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,480
say we're repeating another goal and

1013
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:08,160
we're waiting now for a little break and

1014
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:09,520
then we'll have another round yes

1015
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,880
looking forward and i can see the box

1016
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:12,480
the the bottles are already laid out

1017
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:19,190
i caught up with an interesting diviner

1018
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:22,400
who uh earlier in the day had defined

1019
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:23,839
diet coke

1020
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:24,880
hmm

1021
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:31,910
i'm with the water diviner here who

1022
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,320
divine's diet coke is that true

1023
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,880
well every object has a serial number

1024
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,560
and i'm not too sure what we came up

1025
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,560
with what was the lorry

1026
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:43,280
cake was about 17. i remember 17 what's

1027
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:44,240
water

1028
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,240
uh copper

1029
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,079
so you can't really get them confused

1030
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:54,800
because then at the end of the rotations

1031
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,040
it pulls in a different direction

1032
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,720
because water is a different direction

1033
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,160
to copper that's how you distinguish

1034
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,320
them all right so and you had to go out

1035
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,880
here earlier today or only one or twice

1036
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,800
i've had two guys who knows right how

1037
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,880
did you go not all that successful i'm

1038
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:11,280
not used to a combined uh

1039
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:12,079
you know

1040
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,280
space but

1041
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:16,240
in the open areas where i um divine over

1042
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,599
large acres

1043
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,440
i do a lot of map dividing between

1044
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:21,359
states even and then go to the site and

1045
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,560
do the

1046
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:24,960
survey on site which would take an hour

1047
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,589
that's when the

1048
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:31,440
pendulum comes in handy because then you

1049
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,920
can then find whether there is water

1050
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,160
underneath if it doesn't spin seven

1051
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,680
times and

1052
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:39,599
pull north west well there's no water

1053
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,960
under there

1054
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,320
do you learn something new every day

1055
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:43,760
well i wish you the best of luck in this

1056
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:49,829
a lovely young lady diviner here and i

1057
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,920
saw you out there earlier

1058
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,520
trying your luck uh how do you think you

1059
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,160
went um i think i did pretty good i was

1060
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,720
just getting a vibe so i wrote down what

1061
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,320
i felt three years

1062
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,400
ago yeah you're feeling pretty confident

1063
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,280
um yeah i guess so it's my first time

1064
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:07,280
doing it so

1065
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,640
you're very interested to see and your

1066
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:09,839
friends are having a sneaker over there

1067
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:12,400
have you tried it yeah i have yeah and

1068
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,440
how do you think you went okay yeah hey

1069
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,800
it's very exciting i can't wait to see

1070
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:18,240
what the results are and are you gonna

1071
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:21,440
try it um no i just watched them really

1072
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,240
so

1073
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,240
i think they did pretty good

1074
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,400
so yeah all right well we'll all know

1075
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,160
the scores pretty soon so good luck to

1076
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,870
after the next round i went out on the

1077
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:34,560
court and caught up with yet more

1078
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:37,520
diviners as they were checking their own

1079
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,990
well folks so you had a big check of

1080
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:44,160
your scores how did you go this time

1081
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,680
worse oh how did you go do you

1082
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,359
just checking now

1083
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,440
nine nine okay and

1084
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:53,839
yourself twelve twelve okay we're all

1085
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:56,160
around the the middle mark at the moment

1086
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:57,920
but it's a pretty it's a mighty hot day

1087
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,200
for a mighty mid-master i must say

1088
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:03,040
but i hope you had a fun today they're

1089
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:04,800
just debating now whether to hold one

1090
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,160
final one but we'll see we'll see

1091
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:10,320
but as yet and i don't know because i

1092
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:11,599
don't know all the final scores we

1093
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,480
haven't found somebody yet who can um uh

1094
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,320
get that magic number of 18 to pass the

1095
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,160
test but uh

1096
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:20,480
better check across there

1097
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,839
i keep picking up a water pipe under

1098
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,680
there and that throws you out

1099
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:25,680
but if you know it's there can you sort

1100
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:28,480
of yeah

1101
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:30,560
well i think that laurie smith one of

1102
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,040
the organizers has a um radar ground

1103
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,800
radar image of this whole tennis court

1104
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,560
yeah and i don't think there's a pipe

1105
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,240
but you'll have to check with him yeah

1106
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:40,240
right there okay

1107
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,230
after the third and final round of

1108
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:47,920
testing was complete

1109
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:51,040
and the scores indicated that nobody had

1110
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:53,359
in fact reached the magical level of 18

1111
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,560
out of 20

1112
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,480
i found another diviner

1113
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:58,720
and asked him why he thought the scores

1114
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,280
were so bad

1115
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,960
i might have a quick word with if i may

1116
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:05,280
so the binding test is all over

1117
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:06,240
how

1118
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:09,200
there were lots and lots and lots of

1119
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,280
diviners here

1120
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,040
how could all these diviners

1121
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,800
fail on the day do you have any any

1122
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:16,720
thoughts on that

1123
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:19,440
a couple of things

1124
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:22,880
the sands seem to be

1125
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,000
picking up as if it was damp so it was

1126
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:28,079
picking up uh

1127
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,839
it was putting people off a bit because

1128
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:31,839
the sand was dead

1129
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:34,400
uh for some reason i don't know why

1130
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,680
uh there

1131
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,200
and

1132
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,040
that was one thing that most diviners

1133
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,119
said that the the damp sand in the

1134
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:43,760
bottle seemed to be picking up

1135
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:46,640
that it shouldn't be picking up

1136
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:51,910
well well and another reason why it's

1137
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,079
very hard to divine water that's still

1138
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:57,040
because water a divining is a water

1139
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,800
where the electricity is in your body

1140
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:01,359
and electricity is running

1141
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:03,040
and you're picking it up

1142
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:06,240
the water is running and the and and

1143
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,240
your rod and your electricity and your

1144
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:10,480
body works that way so if there was a

1145
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:12,319
test with running water instead of still

1146
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,599
water you'd think you'd have a better

1147
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:16,000
shot at it i think so

1148
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,960
yeah

1149
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,480
okay but there's nothing wrong with this

1150
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,560
this was a real good test and you could

1151
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:23,280
have it again oh yeah there's no problem

1152
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,960
thanks very much yeah thank you

1153
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,400
me and bryce i don't know about you but

1154
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,160
i'm ready to jump into a cold swimming

1155
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:32,079
pool or a river but we're looking at the

1156
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:33,760
final results let's have a look at this

1157
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,319
histogram and what can you tell me

1158
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:38,319
okay great we have a histogram here

1159
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,520
which shows the

1160
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:41,200
number of times each particular result

1161
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:42,880
came up for example the most common

1162
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,000
result was 9 out of 20

1163
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:49,200
and that occurred about 18 times 19

1164
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,720
times

1165
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:52,960
and the next was 8 out of 20 and 10 out

1166
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,640
of 20. so with the perfectly average

1167
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:58,400
statistical batch we would expect 10 out

1168
00:42:02,630 --> 00:41:59,920
of 20. so it's very close to that it's

1169
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,640
very close to that and so most people

1170
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,079
got slightly under what chance would

1171
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,800
predict but we have uh the highest score

1172
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,800
in the day was 16 this time yeah 16 out

1173
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,839
of 20

1174
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,359
which is quite possible according to

1175
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,200
chance where you've got 50 odd

1176
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:15,440
competitors indeed you would expect some

1177
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,359
around 600 and of course the lowest was

1178
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,800
six so it's sort of

1179
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,560
it's more or less what we'd expect to

1180
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,800
see yes so the null hypothesis

1181
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,720
is not disproven unfortunately science

1182
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,200
often talks in double negatives but

1183
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,880
the null hypothesis survives in other

1184
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,280
words the assumption that only

1185
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,839
statistics is operating and no actual

1186
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:35,839
mysterious force on the divining rod

1187
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,640
that

1188
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,040
test survives today survives today

1189
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:41,200
survives to be tested another day thank

1190
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,000
you

1191
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,839
and then it was all over in fact there

1192
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,480
were hardly any water diviners left to

1193
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,400
look at the results at the end of the

1194
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,480
day i think they knew what they were

1195
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,520
going to be

1196
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,040
i want to thank all the people who took

1197
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:57,599
part all the volunteers from new south

1198
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,560
wales in victoria a big thank you to

1199
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,160
laurie and eden smith for their

1200
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,400
wonderful hospitality big thank you to

1201
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:06,319
dr chrissy wilson

1202
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:08,000
for the wonderful work she did in

1203
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,680
promoting the event

1204
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,000
steve roberts skeptical steve roberts

1205
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:15,040
who did the protocol and and was on hand

1206
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,800
during the course of the day to make

1207
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,040
sure everything ran smoothly martin

1208
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:21,599
hadley for his work at the official

1209
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,319
check-in desk and so many other skeptics

1210
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,400
who helped out during the course of the

1211
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:27,599
day

1212
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:31,760
with a wonderful barbecue at the home of

1213
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:38,069
it's all over we're here back at the

1214
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,440
house of

1215
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,599
yes russell and robin kelly the skeptics

1216
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,200
have gathered around we've had our uh

1217
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:45,440
steaks and sausages and fried potatoes

1218
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:46,880
and all sorts of things and we're

1219
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:48,079
cooking chicken wings and they're

1220
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,520
cooking chicken wings but at last we can

1221
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:51,920
celebrate a successful divining day

1222
00:44:03,510 --> 00:43:58,150
they don't clean they're made out of

1223
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,230
oh thank you thank you

1224
00:44:11,710 --> 00:44:08,960
more detailed results of the test will

1225
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:13,829
www.skeptics.com in the near future when

1226
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,720
we sort out all the statistics

1227
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,240
we look forward to the next series of

1228
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:20,880
water defining tests wherever and

1229
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,270
the gang turned up armed with wire and

1230
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:31,920
wood to locate the water wherever they

1231
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,720
could by reading vibrations that come

1232
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:37,040
from the ground which show where the

1233
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,640
water was sure to be found

1234
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:42,960
they came to win money at the dowsers

1235
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,280
convention with prayers of hope for

1236
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:47,760
divine intervention to help them to

1237
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,160
sense the old h2o then one by one they

1238
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,160
all had a go

1239
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,480
chance predicted the success they would

1240
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,040
face as they searched for the water all

1241
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,200
over the place at the muster in the

1242
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,440
hills up metametaway

1243
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,839
with a loot on the line they were ready

1244
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,680
to play

1245
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,000
walking in a circle or in a crisscross

1246
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,079
line with a weight of belief in the

1247
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:14,720
autumn sunshine making sweat on their

1248
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:17,599
brows as they tried to tell which was

1249
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,839
just sand and where was the well

1250
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,160
then the sun went down on the muster at

1251
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,720
bitter and the sweet taste of victory

1252
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,280
had turned a bit bitter for the dowsers

1253
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,480
and diviners had failed to find water

1254
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,640
maybe their rods should have been longer

1255
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,560
or shorter

1256
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:38,720
the contestants blamed static and

1257
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:41,680
streams and fences that disturbed the

1258
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,640
waves and twiddled their senses but the

1259
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:46,720
skeptics went home with their booty

1260
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:47,839
intact